Even if the group is private, if some people want to share / steal the method to other forum, they will do it anyway. 
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My thoughts are more on random people finding the information through google. If anyone wants to share a tactic, noone can stop him/her.
No doubt about the general logic of this, but I do not agree 100%. The forum is a community, not a promotional tool for MP, at least not directly. There are no banners, no ads, nothing to say “hey, go buy MP” which makes me think it wasn’t set up to generate more users, but to keep the current ones happy.[quote=“Johnny, post:5, topic:3979”]
The thing is that there are also people that do not use mp or don’t have money for it but can still provide a lot of useful information.
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This might sound mean, but if someone is not willing to spend the peanuts that MP costs per month, one should not be here as one cannot be serious about building a business
Anyhow, I stick to my opinion on the topic and I just wanted to hear what others think. At the end of the day it is all up the the staff.
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It’s good when everybody is happy Though we didn’t create this forum just for MP, but rather as a social media community, to share and learn everything related about social media.
yes, but some of those random people can prove to be very good at this in time and help others in their turn.
well, we all have to start from somewhere there are people with $0 to their name that are hardworking and want to join ( at least that’s what I hope )
Anyway, for now it seems to be good, we’ll see what this develops into though and if we start having such problems we’ll take action against them.
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I have to say that I agree with @MojoJojo here and I am starting to feel it stronger every day that goes by.
With this forum we are opening ourselves up totally to the anti-spam team of Instagram and Facebook, and basically serving them everything we do on a silver plate…
This is damaging the usability of MP for everyone and basically just speeds up the “arms race”, even for those who use MassPlanner for responsible marketing.
Why not just set up an autoresponder series to new (or all MP customers) instead where you show off short snippets or headlines from some of the tastiest threads from people like @BrandonBerner and others who have contributed so much, and explain the massive value that is being provided here.
This wouldn’t eliminate the risk, (since its easy for the IG and FB anti-spam teams to buy MassPlanner and they probably have several copies already!), but it MIGHT slow things down or make it slightly less accessible to them?
I have just read a new thread that people aren’t getting the emails from IG anymore when trying to do photo recovery of their accounts. It just makes me wonder if the “gloating” here about some people being able to recover 30 accounts in a day or two with the same photo being a man with female accounts etc. possibly hasn’t contributed to this?
Things like that would certainly piss me off if I was part of the team trying to uphold the 5 accounts per person IG limit.
Btw, I’m not in any way criticising the posters in that thread. The opposite actually. I just think that there is so much sensitive information being shared on this forum that really would be better kept in a more private setting…
I do understand the arguments from the MassPlanner team and in particular the value of this forum to spread the word about the benefits and value of MP.
However, I’m sure that you are equally concerned about the long-term survival of the tool and the usability of it for “ordinary users”.
Even if some of us will learn to adapt and roll with the punches as we lose accounts, more and more users are going to find it too hard to adapt the harder it gets I think.
Anyway, this is just my personal view, but I thought it was worth reviving this topic to see if the MP team is willing to reconsider their view. 
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100% agreement.
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100% agreement also.
Our enemy is Instagram. If they can easily access the forum, and or abuse the system to get to Trust level 3, they can see everything we are up to. We are basically free vulnerability testers for Instagram at this point, and we are burring each others graves.
I totally understand that the forum generates lots more traffic & sales to MassPlanner since forums are so well respected and ranked on search engines. In addition its a great bonus for those who want to get MassPlanner and get the support from the community, however if Instagram makes it so difficult for us to manage accounts with MassPlanner, you would loose more sales then you gain to the point MassPlanner becomes obsulite, or your staff are working 2x longer hours to keep up with Instagram’s improvements. Both will end up costing more money; loss of sales, or paying more staff to keep MassPlanner ahead of Instagram.
This change will only get harder over time as the forum continues to grow at the rate it is. Depending on how you choose to proceed, you may need to demote users back to level 1 and make them work harder with more difficult objectives, or an invite only system. The more users that are level 3, the more of them who will be upset for getting demoted causing you some upset emails. The more popular this forum becomes, the more upset people who will email you about getting demoted. If this was a step you need to implement, it would be best to do it sooner than later. I for one would completely understand and be content with getting demoted as a small sacrifice for something so much greater.
MP Team, if you have concerns about this, or are worried about the effects it would have for different users, create a poll outlining the changes that would have to be made, and see if people are willing to loose ranking, or privileges for the sake of heightened security.I for one would be adaptable for each and every change; even if it sucks.
- I would like the forum to be private
- I would like the forum to be public
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- I dont mind paying a slightly higher monthly cost for MassPlanner to make up the lost sales for making the forum private.
- I do not want to pay more/month for MassPlanner, and would like the forum to still become private.
0 voters
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- If my account needs to be demoted to level 1 again, to make MPSocial more secure, I will not complain.
- If my account gets demoted, I will be mad at MassPlanner.
0 voters
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Hi, I’m new here. In fact, I’m new to all of this. I’m not an internet marketer, I don’t work for Instagram, I don’t have a hundred Facebook accounts and I just run MP off an old computer in a spare room to promote my Facebook community.
For what it’s worth, what you have here is gold. It’s been eye opening for me to learn, over the weeks, of the incredible tool the team have developed. I’m grateful for what I’ve learned here, but your goldmine depends on its secrecy.
As far as I see, you don’t really need to hide from Instagram and FaceBook. If you think multi-billion dolllar companies don’t already know every trick in the book, well I think you might need to reevaluate. What you are hiding from is market-knowledge saturation (yes, I made that term up). The more people use your techniques the more companies will be forced to respond to what they already know you’re doing.
Yes determined people can take tactics from here, if they really want to, but increase the barrier to information leakage and protect the clandestine techniques you have developed. At the same time, keep nurturing this forum from within, creating an environment that is more or less self contained. Think more walled garden than public park.
Well that’s just how it seems to me. Oh and plz add me to tha supa-trust list so I can get all the FaceBook secrets! Anyway, thanks for all your hard work team and contributors 
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Vouch for private forum. 
Regardless if IG and FB already have insight about how MP strategies and insights works doesnt mean they can or will override it. They know the benefits of having MP users - it speeds up their mass audience reach and connect users at a faster pace.
By making a private forum that only allows MP users and invites only keeps committed readers and contributors even on the general forum. This forum has a great niche community and I would like to keep it that way vs having it become like a general BHW forum where it’s dominated by their marketplace and tons of begging users.
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Yes thats true, however from past examples, they continue to make it more and more difficult to create accounts, manage them on proxies, verify using phone numbers (TextNow and other providers were all banned just a few months ago), and more people are having a lower success rate with reactivating banned accounts. Sure they may not block every method we use, however they can implement speed bumps which makes us (MP users) have to contently spend time researching new workarounds, and spending higher amounts of money to bypass their updates.
For example, TextNow and other online free texting services were banned just a few months ago. Then the majority went to online SIM verification’s. Lastly Instagram has been counting how many different numbers are used to verify the same account. They are now starting to ban accounts that use multiple numbers to verify the same account. Since these online SIM providers provide you with a unique number each time, you cannot request a previous one that was used previously to verify your account, so continual use of their services will get your accounts banned, Now we need to buy our own SIM’s. This is where things get more difficult, and cost more money. For one, SIMs are very expensive in most places in North America. Second, its more of a manual process which wastes time, and money. Just a few months ago, phone verification was so easy, and now its almost impossible without SIMS.
With all pros, there are cons also. Yes, having automated accounts will keep Instagrams post counts higher, and keep more users engaged on their platform. However there are more people that use automation software to re-post other users content and not give credit to the owner which drastically increases the amount of employees that need to receive all the reports. In addition to this, there are lots of users who use automation for spam. This will have the opposite effect on Instagrams audience, which will lower the amount of active users on Instagram (just look at what happened to Twitter). Lastly Instagram is public and therefor they have lots of shareholders. They would loose many of them if they dont remain in control over automation software which is the main source for spam. So it comes down to whether or not they gain more than they loose with automation. I think they are losing much more, and therefor prefer to put an end or make it close to impossible to use automation software.
I totally agree with you.
There are some polls a few messages above yours. I noticed you have not voted there yet. If you would like, please do so as it would show those who want the forum to be public.
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It would be helpful if the people who make the decisions about the future of the forum weigh in on the recently brought up points.
@Johnny, grand master of all things MP, chime in whenever you get a chance.
Facebook/Instagram already know the ways we do stuff…I follow 500 to 800 people a day and unfollow the same amount. I think its safe to say…they let us…millions are on both platforms…and the vast majority don’t even follow 50 a day…we stick out. What we do here I think is find kinks , the little holes they have…and as soon as one gets fixed…we find another…sometimes they don;t really know about the holes until we advertise them…by then they fix them. A example…3 months ago a glitch in the Instagram system…anyone that put SINGAPORE SINGAPORE on the location on a post got 50% more likes than any other post they did…I think it was fixed…they only found about it when it was overused by all the engagement groups…it spread and that is not good. One day somebody here will discover a major glitch like the one I mentioned…stuff like that should be held private as not to be advertise and overused.
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It is very true about how they continue find ways to slow MP users down. It also true, what MP does is consider black/gray hat methods which is against IG TOS so I believe IG has to and will always continue to update new security measures to keep their app “as clean as possible”. It’s bound to happen what IG has been doing and if they didn’t take those measures the IG world would be a bot heaven and the user appeal would be gone making the app pointless and unprofitable. Which leads to why the MP community is fantastic that we can come together to find ways to reduce risk, stay up to date and share important ideas.
You make an excellent point about the automated software. With today’s technology, wouldn’t you believe Instagram & Facebook would have the money,power and smarts to put an end or close to automation software? I think itll be a long time (at least 5+ years) before they can make it close to impossible to use automation. I can imagine everyday some person is waking up and saying “f yeah, I’m building a IG bot today! lets’ go!!!”, one day there will be a prophecy child of finding a way around IG and building a new bot and the loop continues until technology and their algo can get to a point where they can be close to mistake free.
Ill def cast a vote. Thanks Brandon for being a staple of the MP community.
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100% Agree
As a monthly subscription customer, I hereby strongly recommend for admins to make the forum private and make it not accessable by outsider & leechers
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Personally, I don’t think it matters… let’s say you have to have an MP license and 2 e-mails to support to be verified. Now, Sisa, or whoever it is that bans everyone on Mondays, lets say that kid that spams everyone gets banned and he gets her. He’s not smart enough to say he doesn’t use automation software and he says, “But but calm bro, @BrandonBerner told me my settings are OK”, and he spills the beans.
She gets curious, spends $20 of IG’s money on MP, she gets in the forum. Now what? I wouldn’t be surprised if they had quite a few people in the forum. No matter what, sooner or later they will find out about MP and MP social, and they will learn everything. It’s only a matter of time.
I say keep the high level stuff in level 3 with the free money button, and leave it how it is.
Here’s the deal, there are many different types of software/services, that do the same thing. How many hundreds of thousands use automation or have used automation? They aren’t dumb. They have access to some of the best facial recognition software in the world. They have literally thousands of top level programmers, network guys, etc… They could reverse engineer MP in a day.
My take is that they won’t. I bet they are even OK with mild automation IE, our safe settings. Maybe why Sisa likes to ban people is because she’s hella tired of having to look through 4,000 e-,mails and 20 of them are sir spam a lot.
I don’t blame her/them. It’s a cat and mouse game! I say we use @Fonzie’s technique of humanizing our accounts, and keep doing what we do.
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This.
In the whole scheme of things we are small potatoes.
There is so much other shit IG and the like are dealing with that unless it is an action that is a type of revenue disruptor or a serious threat to the bottom line, they aren’t going to waste any time seriously poking around our little corner of the universe.
There are forums out in the wilds of the internetz that have shit 10 times ‘worse’ than what is done with our automation. Things that are openly talked about where people straight up get their accounts taken under their noses and where 0-day IG exploits are discussed ( and no I don’t have any so don’t ask 
) in places as open as this.
Besides anything behind any wall we have here can be copy-pasted (See the Great Barry Barner incident of '17 ) or ebooked by anyone who rises through the ranks. You really can’t keep out the douchebags. All you can do is come to recognize who is ‘cool and legit’ (of which there are many here) and, over time, network with them. Learn from them. Learn yourself and…pass it on.
They know. They know what’s up. They know what isn’t human action. They let us do what we do because we blend in. Because the actions we take are overlapped by MILLIONS of legit users. Because we’re such a small percentage in the over HALF A BILLION users.
EXAMPLE:
My cousin will be on IG all day long. She’ll like and friend and post a dozen pictures. She’ll sit there and go on a tear where she’ll just say “Follow, Follow, Follow, Like, Like, Like” for hours. Then after dinner, during the food-coma, she’ll lay on the couch and say “Bye, Bye, Bye, See ya, Nope” and unfollow like a madman for an hour or whatever. God knows how many times throughout the day she does that. Until she goes to sleep and repeats the cycle.
So if we’re doing (and discussing) actions that blend in with the data they have on the behavior of a 16 year old girl (which makes up a TON of their demo)…do you think they’d risk taking action using filters like that? No.
So our discussions of “How many followers?”, “What’s your settings?”, “Where do you get pictures?”, Hashtags, Engagement groups, etc…are going to get as much attention as an ant to an ogre.
Other stuff “outside the norm” a’la proxies etc. Are something that have been around forever and with very valid uses. That is an example of something that they can zero in on and refine over time with the ban-hammer.
But a lot of it is obvious things, if you think about it: Data-center IP vs Residential IP -> how many accounts per IP?, Are there any location issues with logins with IPs? Has this IP done messed up shit before? etc… Same with phone numbers, emails and bio URLs. They’re going to take action on because that is easier to separate from the usage of the ‘Normies’ on IG.
What I’m saying here is that There is nothing groundbreaking or inherently unique about what were discussing here that would cause the Eye of the IG dragon to gaze upon our little Hobbit-hole.
I mean look at the ridiculousness of the getting your account back process is with the ID process. Just send in the same picture for a dozen accounts with a different number.
They know this stuff so, IMHO, I wouldn’t get my panties in a bunch about it. But that’s just me and I like to 
so what do I know?
EDIT: All of that being said @dddd brings up some good points below.
My thought process was along the lines of deep dark secrets being seen by IG.
But if there was some type of qualifier, like 3-5 posts + introduction, in a restricted area of the forum for new signees and newbies before they have full access, I’d be all aboard with that.
After all I think we all want people to learn and contribute but I am in full agreement that the, whining for spoon-feeding, non-initiative in using the friggin search bar for questions, harrasing PM’s by non-massplanner purchasers/owners, is getting aggravating.
So view my vote for ‘public’ in that kind of light.
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@Fonzie Aaayyyyyy…
This times a million.
Before finding MP, I had developed my own method and strategy, and 99% of it probably looked worse then that spammer kid on a meth bender.
I got sick of typing comments so I copy pastad comments…guess what? Temp ban! Used a few apps to unfollow hundreds Per day, guess what? TEMP BAN! Followed too many people and liked too many posts. you guessed it. TEMP BAN. Hell, I had a few accounts banned because I went from Peru to Colombia! (got them all back)
The reality is, I’ve had BETTER luck using MP than doing it manually because it’s controlled! I no longer had to sit there and count to 60 repeatedly (thank baby jesus). So yeah, there are worse forums out there. Just try to keep your settings under 2,000 follows a day, don’t spam with DM’s etc. The only way you can get yourself banned truly is to publicly post your accounts names in conjuction with automation software.
I say we all stop worrying about it and think of new methods to beat them at their own game!
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For what matters, i would like it to be private, because i paid for the sub. Sorry folks who didn’t pay for the software, i’m just being honest about being selfish.
Apart from what might be IG having “spies”, i can’t agree neither disagree. There are people who will still leak out info and it’s not always tracable.
I voted private, because i’ve been seeing an increasing number of people who are not subs, paid for the trial, and whine about their life, expecting MP to send them gold using amazon’s drone.
For the people who didn’t pay for the software not even the trial, it’s also equally hard to convert them to long term subs. They have no money, and don’t know how to find money, yet didn’t want to do the hard labor when being told to.
Problems? It will still exist. There are also people who actually bought the software, and expect everyone to be their servant and answer their 101 questions without breaking a sweat. Fail to answer? Get attacked out of nowhere.
For such people, if you made it private, they will demand something even a God cannot give.
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@dddd This is the best argument for making the forum private. I think to be level 2 and up you should have to have at least a 1 month sub.
There is a “free money button” in level 3… 
Keep the level 1 users open to public, and level 2 and up have to be verified users…
I wouldn’t mind not seeing all the free trial and non MP users posts and questions (same questions over and over again). That way we can filter out the junk and help other users of the software. It is a community, I would like to keep it that way. Plus, that way everyone just here to sell junk accounts won’t be in my MP feed anymore…
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