Mother Slave Diagram - Theory Good or Not?

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So we have plenty of documents that has mother slave info but I felt I needed to see it plus I wanted something I could use replace accounts when an account gets banned. On top of that I wanted to see if this theory would work as well.

At the top we have the main account. This is my business account that I will not be doing anything except for posting and engaging with post and DM’s from people. Sharing viral content in the travel niche. It will not be added into Jarvee.

Second row is the care section, because well I care about these accounts and these are in the same niche but each a little different. These accounts will reference each other but none of the accounts below it. They will point back to my main account as well. (Still trying to figure out how they point back, html, landing pages, @ , #. I don’t know the best way and how often they should be referencing my main account.)

3rd section is the triangles and these accounts stay within the respective group but they all link and hashtag to eachother. Probably do a Via: name in the caption and a few DM’s. Once every few post I will reference that I received the image from the care account above. (Again, still trying to figure out how to point it back to the care account above all the other accounts without it being too noticeable.)

4th section is the power accounts. These accounts will be paneled and growed into 10k / 100k accounts fast to put into power like groups for the triangle accounts above it to receive the likes.

Last but not least is the scrape account. I will scrape with 1 account for all of these accounts. I’m also going to mix up the proxies where green 1 and 2 ect will not be on the same proxy.

I’m mainly doing this for organization and to replace accounts where it’s needed. If I see 4 red accounts all gone on the same day I think it will help me understand what group is having issues. If accounts have issues I can visualize it in my head better.

Where is this flawed and how could it be improved? Am I over thinking this?



I’m also using the mother-slave technique and I can assure you are not over thinking. It should be complex and random, just like any other thing, to “fool” Instagram. From what I can see, you have a good plan laid out, but of course you have to test it, because every account is different and you can have problems with some and others may run just fine. Wish you good luck!


Are you managing all of these accounts besides the main account in Jarvee?

As in posting photos/videos, tagging, etc. through Jarvee?

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That’s the plan

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What do you mean by this? Do you mean paneled as in you will buy followers from an SMM panel? And you then intend to use them as powerlike accounts?

My minimal understanding of powerlikes accounts is that they were not just based off of follower size but also trust score, or simply the quality, as well as relevant niche. It seems hard to think that IG would easily give it a quality score to an account that appears to have just quickly bought poor quality non-engaged followers.

Maybe @Alexnvo can shed some light on that since he knows about the effectiveness of powerlikes.

Perhaps I’m totally mistaken about how powerlikes work and that will work for you, or perhaps I just completely misinterpreted what you meant by “paneled”. :slight_smile:


I agree but I wouldn’t panel it all over night at once and ensure that engagement is high. Delete posts as needed.

Wondering if this is true? Where do you get trust score info if this is true?

No, you understood correctly. I’m still ignorant about a lot of this and just trying to see if this is viable solution.


Yeah, I’m not sure either, but I feel like that would be quite an easy solution for self-made powerlikes and would be used more by people if it truly worked.

There’s not heaps of info so much about a clear cut guide to how the trust score works or anything like that, mostly because the idea is that Instagram doesn’t straight up reveal that. But naturally, as people work with accounts and get experience they’ve collaborated and worked out things that are and aren’t good. General idea is to make it look as human-like as possible. There are different things to consider for all the different actions.


Noone can confirm this, It’s all theory because none of us work at IG. But you can look at Twitter and how they work. Twitter implemented a lot of this first.

Trust score is not like a website trust score at all. Best you can do is measure two things. Actions per day, and reach.

If you bot, and you have a PG niche, good proxies etc, and have a shitty reach, then you probably bought a shitty account with low Trust Score or do too many actions.

If you do too many actions per day, your reach slips. Thats a whole different kind of Trust. Mother slave means fewer API calls, so it’s reach is “virgin”. The “child/slave” accounts sacrifice these things to provide for the mother.

You can’t find trust like you can with Twitter. You can only work around it.
PS: Edited: I had some beers ok? My theories are still sound


Thanks for clarifying. I was thinking power likes were mainly based on followers not Virgin accounts with a bunch of followers but I see how that comes into play to boost engagement . That probably determines if it’s a good engagement group to be in or not but a lot of the power like groups are based on followers. The selection process to let you in will be the determining factor as well.

I also ask myself How many of those accounts with 100k+ in a powerlikes group are virgin accounts. I mean yeah they’re a few and the place to find them would be here but most of the time I don’t see people using their main accounts to like comment on other pages.

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Power likes can get diluted over time as well. But say, Kyliejnner liked your post, that’s a straight virgin like. (spoiler, shes not, the like is). But She likes very few posts. If you have a 1 million follower account and make 4 likes a month? Sure you might get a lot from it. But if the same account makes 14,000 likes, they are diluted. There is a power likes expert here but I can’t find his name just yet.

Edited cause beer. Fuck it


In any human activity, the more layers you place – the crappier the results. M/S is simple – 1 account promoting 1( all them will be different levels – size, activity – etc). No need to add layers 2/3/4/6/7/8/1000,1000 – KISS principle.


Listen to @Alexnvo.

@Dconley is the powerlike expert. @Alexnvo runs his own network and knows more than 99% of us.


Yeah, that makes sense. I was trying to hedge my work but I guess that way makes it simpler and not as stressful.

Ha, good to know


@Alexnvo knows more than almost anyone about a network, and his own powerlikes. So he can tell you tell more than most about best practices. @Dconley specializes in them (as far as I know, I’ve not chatted with them in a while but I know they know their stuff)


Nothing wrong with the way you have it set up but you are making it a little more complicated depending on what your end goal is?

If your business account is in a travel niche and you are trying to make it as big as possible and you already have viral content then i would double down on the 4th section and make a lot of travel accounts. Once these are a few thousand followers and getting a few hundred likes have them follow the business account and start liking posts. Once these accounts hit 10K I post from my main and open a ton of embedded browsers and manually like and comment on the business post.

Sections 2 and 3 sound like overkill.
Just get a few accounts to scrape strict user filters for your power accounts
Get a few accounts that DM users
Get as many power accounts as you can
Make sure your hashtags are good


Thank you @Alexnvo AND @Dconley

@kennypowers I just want to say, you have good ideas. Stick around, keep them coming, as well as good solid questions, and good things will happen. There are some amazing people here that you won’t find at BHW.

@Alexnvo and @Dconley have been instrumental to many. Pay it forward when you can. You won’t regret it.


I do M/S and have definitely wasted time overthinking it or over-strategising (with all sorts of things related to IG in general), and that is more learnt from hindsight, and once you know what things work and that you would have gone straight to doing things like that if you had to do again. If you can do it easily where some accounts do different actions and you feel that genuinely adds benefit then maybe that’s good, but if it starts taking up heaps of additional time thinking it out and implementing it (which it seems like it will) where you could instead just use one simple action to get traffic to the main account then all that theory and fancy strategising is not really useful at all.

So yeah, KISS as @alexnvo says, haha :slight_smile:


I remember when you first showed up with a zillion questions and wanted to start a zillion accounts too.
Your message above tells me you matured and now are getting much better. excellent!


Yeah, that was just silly of me.

Now I’m just aiming for a trillion. :slight_smile:


Doesn’t Jarvee have an engagement group feature where the procedure below can be automated? :slight_smile:

I’m running a large M/S network as well, and have thought about implementing this sort of setup. Will probably experiment with it over the next month.

@Dconley, in your experience, if one was to have 1k niche-related accounts with 1k+ followers like the post, and 50 of those with the most followers comment as well, is that enough to gain the same benefits as a few pages with 10k+ liking/commenting?